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Amazo (Justice League Unlimited) vs Dragon Ball/Z/GT/Super
Topic Started: Jul 5 2018, 09:17 PM (2,273 Views)
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How far would JLU Amazo make it in Dragon Ball, Z, GT, and Super?
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Not every character has this unique perk buddy, as far as this is concerned, Dragon Ball and a few others series where this is true. Only way hax could work on Dragon Ball is if it's cut and done (Mister Carrot or Dabura's spit), or if the powers are dead equals.

That in no way means every power outside of Dragon Ball shouldn't work on them, especially not when they're absolute like teleporting things away.
A.M.A.Z.O. casually teleports whole planets away, there's no sensible argument that would suggest DB characters can just resist that.

That's just pulling unfair advantages out of nowhere to give Dragon Ball a win.
Granted they're against an unfair character here but in general that makes no sense. If someone has a power that can cut anything then they can cut anything, you can't just say they don't cut Dragon Ball characters for no reason.

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Amazo only copies what he sees, Gero thought he had absorbed enough of Piccolo's ki to beat Vegeta and he couldn't even take down a serious Piccolo at all. He's an android and so is Gero, just because he is super intelligent doesn't omit anything.


No he doesn't. He copies everything about a person's powers, presumably down to a cellular level since he picked up Superman's Kryptonite weakness. He didn't witness that and copy it.


I'm not gonna argue this point since he wins anyway but I wonder if he'd pick up the power to turn in to an Oozaru...that'd be f***ed up.
But yeah he'd literally just copy Saiyan traits and Ki easily. Even if he started this fight with no extra powers at all he takes it handily.
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Jul 11 2018, 05:50 PM
A quick reminder that "hax" is not something you measure. It's something that's overturns the usual parameters of power. Saying you can be more powerful than hax is silly, you're more powerful than the person and thus impervious to their abilities. That does not mean they are magically going to be immune to say, radiation poisoning just because they can resist mind control or that old phase-and-crush-heart thing.

What does Amazo actually do in the DCAU, and how do you counteract that?
I know what hax is no need for the breakdown.

Not every character has this unique perk buddy, as far as this is concerned, Dragon Ball and a few others series where this is true. Only way hax could work on Dragon Ball is if it's cut and done (Mister Carrot or Dabura's spit), or if the powers are dead equals.

Amazo only copies what he sees, Gero thought he had absorbed enough of Piccolo's ki to beat Vegeta and he couldn't even take down a serious Piccolo at all. He's an android and so is Gero, just because he is super intelligent doesn't omit anything.

You did not, as evidenced by your statement. Thus the need for the break down. Hax is not measurable, it is a unique factor and each must be checked individually, and compared individually on a case by case basis. Resisting mind control is not resisting illness or resisting time rewriting, this is obvious and self-evident, but forgotten when you start thinking Hax is something you can measure and with things like "They can resist hax".

It has to be on a case by base basis. What does AMAZO do, how does he do it, and how do you counteract it?
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That in no way means every power outside of Dragon Ball shouldn't work on them, especially not when they're absolute like teleporting things away.
A.M.A.Z.O. casually teleports whole planets away, there's no sensible argument that would suggest DB characters can just resist that.

That's just pulling unfair advantages out of nowhere to give Dragon Ball a win.
Granted they're against an unfair character here but in general that makes no sense. If someone has a power that can cut anything then they can cut anything, you can't just say they don't cut Dragon Ball characters for no reason.


It does though cause that's the way it works in Dragon Ball. The only way for it not to work is listed in my prior post. I'm not giving Dragon Ball no infair advantages, if you can explain how much powerful Amazo is compared to Goku and Piccolo from the Beginning of Z, and how he can hurt them let me know.

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No he doesn't. He copies everything about a person's powers, presumably down to a cellular level since he picked up Superman's Kryptonite weakness. He didn't witness that and copy it.


I'm not gonna argue this point since he wins anyway but I wonder if he'd pick up the power to turn in to an Oozaru...that'd be f***ed up.
But yeah he'd literally just copy Saiyan traits and Ki easily. Even if he started this fight with no extra powers at all he takes it handily.


Okay fair point. Well, he'd win in this case then.
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It does though cause that's the way it works in Dragon Ball. The only way for it not to work is listed in my prior post. I'm not giving Dragon Ball no infair advantages, if you can explain how much powerful Amazo is compared to Goku and Piccolo from the Beginning of Z, and how he can hurt them let me know.


But it doesn't. Being more powerful doesn't negate any and all abilities. Unless a character is faster than time they couldn't stop Guldo's ability once it was activated, unless it's actually just hyperspeed movement.
That's only how it works with non hax...didn't you already mention Dabura's spit?

Even if this was the case the only logical explanation could be the usage of Ki.
Which still wouldn't explain DB characters being able to touch a character who can effectively become an intangible ghost, one who's abilities don't need Ki at all.
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It does though cause that's the way it works in Dragon Ball. The only way for it not to work is listed in my prior post. I'm not giving Dragon Ball no infair advantages, if you can explain how much powerful Amazo is compared to Goku and Piccolo from the Beginning of Z, and how he can hurt them let me know.


But it doesn't. Being more powerful doesn't negate any and all abilities. Unless a character is faster than time they couldn't stop Guldo's ability once it was activated, unless it's actually just hyperspeed movement.
That's only how it works with non hax...didn't you already mention Dabura's spit?

Even if this was the case the only logical explanation could be the usage of Ki.
Which still wouldn't explain DB characters being able to touch a character who can effectively become an intangible ghost, one who's abilities don't need Ki at all.
The abilities you listed are some of the select few that can be omitted, but other hax like abilities can be canceled with sheer power.

But anyway, I conceded on the matter so what are you still yapping about? As far as the hax discussion goes, we're not gonna convince the other, I stand firm on my point on this as do you.
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Amazo looses because he absorbed the powers of the justice league and also gained their weakness.any with a ki blast can generate fire while amazo would be hit by it so he would would loose since he would have the fire weakness of Martian man hunter.

Even if we don't count that then

amazo also cannot copy people with magical powers since amazo cannot copy things that falls outside the realm of science.

so we have

babidi,

dabura,

someone with mafuba so anyone who ever used it can do it,

zeno can erase him and he won't be able to copy zeno powers either(for obvious reasons unless he has feats to suggest he can copy someone on zeno lv),

we also have commeson ( the one who made copy vegeta ) since it could just make a copy of amazo and there is no way amazo will attack it since commeson is just a blob amazo will not attack it the same way amazo wouldn't attack water.so commeson will be able to make a copy of amazo.
and amazo wouldn't copy commeson powers the same way amazo doesn't copy the powers of water.since commeson is just like water for amazo anyway so amazo would be off guard for commeson to make a copy of him (another reason again why comneson wins)

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Jul 12 2018, 07:47 AM
The abilities you listed are some of the select few that can be omitted, but other hax like abilities can be canceled with sheer power.
Where are your citations for this exactly? You are just deciding what's convenient for you, that doesn't actually make any sense.

If someone can erect a powerful barrier that seems unbreakable, someone might break it yes. That's not necessarily an absolute power.

But intangibility and teleportation are, you can't block those or get through them with raw strength.


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Amazo looses because he absorbed the powers of the justice league and also gained their weakness.any with a ki blast can generate fire while amazo would be hit by it so he would would loose since he would have the fire weakness of Martian man hunter.


Assuming Ki=fire is a bit of a stretch, were that even remotely true then half the attacks in the series should burn the planet.
They produce some amount of hit it can be assumed by MM isn't weak to plain heat.

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amazo also cannot copy people with magical powers since amazo cannot copy things that falls outside the realm of science.


Not true, it's only Chaos Magic he doesn't manage to copy. The Green Lantern rings are a type of magic and he copies that just fine. He also doesn't need to charge it so either he simply improves things or he has infinite power.


Never heard of the Commeson, how exactly does it work? I'm seeing it's "used" on people, how so?
Does someone have to drink it because I don't see why A.M.A.Z.O. would but that's pretty much the only thing DB has here.
But I'm only seeing it used on organic beings, A.M.A.Z.O. is a nanotechnological being before evolving past that, this depends entirely on the limits of the Commeson, did it ever copy an android?


Unless Zeno instantly goes on the attack then his powers just get copied, the best that could be hoped for there is a double kill.

But with that A.M.A.Z.O. as said doesn't merely copy abilities he easily outdoes whoever he gets them from and is constantly evolving.
He'd get ridiculously powerful going through this whole cast.
Heck as soon as he gets to Guldo it's done, he doesn't need to hold his breath so he should be able to keep time stopped as long as he wants.
And then he'd just have copied Buu, Piccolo and Cell's regen powers and made them even better.
Not to mention being able to clone himself.
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nice try steve,you didn't refute anything i said but spouted plain nonsense as always.
if you don't know about commeson then don' talk about the subject.this is why your arguments about amazo winning is nothing but bs.you say commeson has never copied a android so their is no proof that he can do it but you won't apply same standard to amazo. well i will apply these same standards.prove to me amazo can copy people with ki attacks. well you can't since he never did it before.
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